Now a flying school in Arizona does American School of Aviation act

Hi Guys

Thank you for putting up your experience. I am of the opinion that most of the flying schools are scams and an awareness should be created among interested individuals. I am in a similar predicament as you guys. I joined a flying school in Arizona in June and had to withdraw from the school in November as the training was deficient. In spite of having a signed contract I haven’t received the balance back.i. e$23000 which I was to receive on 1 Jan 2009. The school I was training in ain’t bankrupt as yet.

However I am determined to get my deposit back. I would really appreciate if somebody could give me inputs as to how to go about it….

Cindy

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We may have made our mistakes along the way, but we are also humans with a limited capacity… and ASA was a business!

Reny_kozman_with_family

At least we do not deserve to be stoned all the way. Our main goal was the quality of training, we may have made our mistakes along the way, but we are also humans with a limited capacity… and ASA was a business, a successful business for 6 years in a row. but if the US and countries governments still can’t solve the fuel problems, why did people think we can? Consider this, Six months ago, we went to all the students saying you have to pay an additional $6,000 to $8,000 more for your training, what would have been the response? i personally went to UAE, China to get more profitable business so your families does not have to come up with the additional funds.

I am surprised, that Sasha Puri, Vikram Pawar, Suraj Chopra and Ameya Kameth did not mention to any one, that they paid their tuition in Gurgaon and that ASA in California never got a penny out of it?!! Specially that 3 of them already graduated, now was ASA out to Scam student? How about each one who paid the $2,000 deposit in Gurgaon? And the US never got a penny of it, but all of you got the credit on your account?

Now every one is going after the management, fine, put your self in Prince’s shoes and he admits he is an AW!!

On New Year’s Day, Juana opens up the school and is feeding the fish in the tank; guess what she found in there?
A: HUMAN POOP!!

On a weekend evening, a drunken student pulls the fire alarm (Accidently!!) who had to leave the house to baby sit the reset of the students?

Students playing cricket in the parking lot, using the school’s furniture as goals..
For God Sake, we had to teach students to take a shower before showing up for class!!

Add to that, dealing with the FAA, Mechanics, India, lawyers, accountants, airport management for every little thing that students do!!

Parents, how do I tell a father, that your son is drinking every night and I have an arrest warrant for him? How do I tell your parents, your son is not showing up for lessons because the schedule is too early?! How do we tell them, your son is too busy with the bank teller and does not have time to study?!! Etc…

Here is what happened,
April last year 2007, Gurgaon was shut down costing a lot of money
July, was the last KFA interview
November, KFA staff came to visit to expand the relationship, instead, students complained about the housing and God knows what else, so they did not give a damn and cancelled the tie up!!
Still in November, 17 Students panicked and left the school creating more negative publicity.

Here is a quick lesson in business, if your current customers are pushing your new customers away for whatever reason, you run out of money and eventually your business runs out!!

ASA lost the market in India, even though, over 200 students graduated form there, all of the sudden, every one forgot that fact!!
November, I go to UAE to get some business, I got one student
March I got to China to get some business, it takes time
April I go to Egypt to get some business, we got 3 .

All of that and the FAA is on our tail to shut us down, in 2007, we had 109 inspections, and my question to them, if we were so bad, why did not you shut us down?!! And if we were not so bad, why did you inspect us 109 times?
I still do not have an answer to that, the FAA alone, costed 20% of Prince’s work week just to entertain them!! Why is it, that none of the students asked them that question?

I am sorry the management had to be strict as we did not have time to baby sit adults who were suppose to be in the air lines in a matter of months, I hope your future captains will make sure to tuck you in your seat before you fly!! Our main goal was to make you a pilot because we truly believed that one day thought out your career, the only thing that will save your life is your training, and that was our priority number 1.

They took our airplanes, cars and our house is about to be taken, but no one can take this from us
Our safety record is 100%, 98% of our graduates are successfully employed and satisfied with the training.

Reny Kozman

Prince & Reny succeeded in selling 18 of the 30 aircrafts in last two days!

My observation from the sideline:

18 ASA Aircraft just changed hands in last two days.

A file photo of American School of Aviation in happier times
A file photo of American School of Aviation in happier times

FAA records indicate 13 ASA aircraft changed hands on August 04 2008 and 5 additional ASA aircraft changed hands on August 05, 2008.

While the students and other creditor’s lawyers are trying to secure the assets of ASA, Prince and Reny are moving fast and step ahead to evade from their reach. As shown in the following FAA records, the duo has succeeded in selling 18 of the 30 ASA aircraft thus far.

Considering the time required for the paper work process at the FAA office, all transactions were likely to be taken place and consummated at or around the end of June 2008. Based on this calculation, the transaction took place in the recent weeks won’t show up in the FAA record until sometime in September or October. It is quite possible that by now all the remaining aircraft changed hands as well.

Following 13 aircraft are now registered to:

Commercial Lending Resource, Inc.
2082 Michelson Dr., Suite 100
Irvine, CA 92612-1212

Cessna 152 N 25840
Cessna 152 N 4644Q
Cessna 152 N 48425
Cessna 172N N 1948F
Cessna 172N N 3318E
Cessna 172N N 4864D
Cessna 172N N 5488D
Cessna 172N N 6349D
Cessna 172N N 733AD
Cessna 172N N 733UG
Cessna 172N N 734MN
Cessna 172N N 734SV
Cessna 172N N 739BL

Following 5 aircraft are now registered to:

Spring Aviation
PO B ox 4120
Portland, OR 97208-4120

Cessna 152 N 4940
Cessna 152 N 68141
Cessna 152 N 757XY
Beech 76 N 111BV
Beech 76 N 6697L

12 remaining aircraft still registered to ASA

Cessna 152 N 48637
Cessna 152 N 94185
Cessna 152 N 64994
Cessna 172S N 1482M (A/C registration issued to Foreign Corporation)
Cessna 172N N 7352J
Diamond DA20C1 N 991CT
Diamond DA20C1 N 992CT
Piper PA28R200 N 15546
Piper PA28R180 N 7526J
Piper PA28140 N 15080
Piper PA28161 N 47389
Beech 76 N 7774T

I really hope the plaintiff’s lawyers all pull together to move the court for an issuance of immediate injunction against the debtor defendants from disposition of any business assets, and additionally seek a pre-judgement lien against all ASA aircraft and file the same with the FAA Aircraft Registry to prevent the debtor from selling the remaining airplanes.

Furthermore, move the court to nullify all the recent aircraft title transfers on the ground that such transfers were made with an actual intent to hinder, defraud, or delay creditors, and additionally on the ground of prior invalid registration.

Moreover, loge the criminal fraud charges against the owners of ASA with the Merced County Sheriff’s department immediately and move the Superior Court of California, County of Merced to issue an arrest warrant for the school owners to be taken into custody immediately.
Swift and aggressive actions are more than needed at this juncture.

Echo Yankee, over & out!

N1482M Cessna-172/A was flying this evening again.

My view from the sideline:

N1482M Cessna-172/A was flying this evening again. Is that you Prince? ……Didn’t think so.

(incidentally this is the only ASA aircraft that seems to be properly registered as Foreign Corporation on its registration certificate. For more details about the ASA aircraft registration, read my recent thread under the heading Splitting hairs on the ASA aircraft registration)

Dep. Hayward 18:26 PDT
ETA Lake Tahoe 18:51 PDT

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1482M

This is just the tip of the iceberg as the FlightAware can only track IFR traffic. All the rest of the ASA VFR flights are not shown up in the tracking system.

All indication points to a strong possibility that Prince and Reny and some of the ASA remnants are operating out of Hayward Airport and elsewhere other than Castle by themselves directly or leasing planes to other flight schools under the table to make few more quick dollars for themselves on their way out to disappearance.

I am sure some of the ASA students still remaining in the US are quite aware of those flight activities taking place at numerous GA airport locations but so far they all seem taciturn about this and heasitant to come forward to share the information for common good.
Am I the only one begins to wonder why? ……Humm.

Echo Yankee, over & out!

Splitting hairs on the ASA aircraft registration

My view from the sideline:

Synopsis:
American School of Aviation, Inc. is a California corporation with its president and other corporate officer(s) are not U.S. citizen.

Title 14 CFR Part 47 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) governs the requirement related to the civil aircraft registration in the US

Part 47.3 stipulates Registration required.
Part 47.5 defines Applicants.
Part 47.7 defines U.S. citizens and resident aliens with respect to civil aircraft registration.
Part 47.9 defines “Corporations not U.S. citizen”.
Part 47.9(f) stipulates thrice annual report requirement by the registrant to the FAA.

Analysis:
All ASA aircraft (30 in all) are currently registered under FAR Part 47.7 and issued aircraft registration certificate bearing “Corporation” instead of its true and factual status of its corporate entity as “Foreign Corporation”.
In the FAA AC Form 8050-1 Aircraft Registration Application, there is a specific box to be checked off for Non-citizen Corporation and provided along with “Certification” section for the applicant’s certification for a non-citizen corporation. If these sections were properly completed in the ASA aircraft registration application, all of its registration then should have been issued under Part 47.9 with the respective registration certificate bearing ”Foreign corporation”

Conclusion:
If ASA has made erroneous entry in its aircraft registration application and submitted to the FAA Aircraft Registry knowingly or not knowingly and obtained its registration certificates, then all of the ASA aircraft are not registered under Part 47.9 and not in compliance with Part 47.9(f) requirement. This ipso facto invalidates all of its registrations under FAR 47.41(a) (ii) and requires ASA to surrender all of its invalidated registration certificate in accordance with FAR 47.43 (b).

All ASA aircraft are to be grounded immediately if its current registration is found to be invalid on the foregoing premise stated. Aircraft operation without having required documents on board, aircraft registration certificate is one of among them is a Federal code violation subject to FAA enforcement action including an imposition of a civil penalty for each and every violations committed. If you fly twice with an invalid registration, that’s two counts of violation and the flight log and pilot’s logbook to show that for the record easily later on. If any of the ASA students are still flying the ASA airplane, you should think twice before stepping into the plane next time.

Well, it sure beats me why this fundamental infraction of the FAR evaded the FAA inspector’s repeated scrutiny for so long. I guess sometimes things can be seen better when you step back a little and observe them from distance. The old saying “. Don’t Miss the Forest for the Trees.” rings so true here.

I could see things pretty well from where I stand in the sideline.
Till next time,

Echo Yankee, over & out!

Only chance of recovery of the student’s fees from ASA is……………….

Hello ASA students,

First off, I’d like to express my sincere sympathy for those students stranded by the recent ASA fiasco and wish you all the early arrival of meaningful assistance to alleviate the current enduring hardship. I have no personal stake in this ordeal and neither lost nor gained anything from this occurrence. Nevertheless I can’t stop being indignant about both Prince and Reny of their incompetence and deceit whichever the characterization is appropriate that brought to cause a current plight onto those young aspiring Indian students.

In as much as I’d like to believe that Prince and Reny stashed away a sizable amount of cash somewhere as some still like to speculate or believe and therefore there’s some chance of recovery of their prepaid fees, it pains me to tell you all such chances to exist is literally infinitesimal if not nonexistent.

I know it’s easier said than done but give it a rest on a hope of recovery by a means of law suit. In the Breach of Contract case such as this, you will most likely prevail in the court and obtain a judgment. But think about it, what good is it that the judgment that can collect nothing from the defaulting party. A writ of execution issued from the court is just a useless paper of no value. Remember no one wins in a law suit except lawyers. (been there, done that, fought an airport use permit issue against a county ordinance in the US Federal Court and won the battle but lost the war in the end after consuming 3 years and $150K in legal fees, .a Pyrrhic victory indeed.

Judging from the reported size of operation,(110 students, 43 instructors, 40 aircraft) the monthly operating cost could be anywhere from $225k to $250k/mo. or more to keep that size of operation going. Remember ASA did not have $4.4 mil in a lump sum cash to start with. It’s an accumulative total revenue over the time they were in business. Unless they had an sufficient operating capital set aside which I doubt, their monthly operating expenses were entirely relied on one source; student fees. There’re good months with some surplus fund left and there’re some bad months with an insufficient amount of income even to cover the monthly overhead. It’s highly probable that ASA needed at minimum 4 to 5 new students to keep its doors open. All fees collected from the students were all spent long since and I bet they’re just scraping by from month to month with a hope of someday getting ahead with an arrival of new enrollment group consisting of substantial number of students. Unfortunately, that day never came and the KFA fallout was the last straw. And while they were still at it, the problems started to pile up one after another. It probably started with a minor student’s complain and then rapidly growing to many issues that eventually raised red flags and invited all kinds of government scrutinies from all directions FAA, County’s office, IRS, FTA (Calif. State Franchise Tax Board) and all. Despite less than honorable character references made about both Prince and Reny in many posts, I doubt they had planned this outcome from the beginning. It’s a case of pure incompetence and mismanagement. They had somehow managed to slip their foot in the door and pried open the business opportunity just in time to ride the surging tide of pilot shortages beginning to be faced by the Indian airlines.

Some of you already know about another flight school closure earlier this year which draws some parallels to the events at ASA in the order of far greater magnitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_State_Helicopters

Silver State Helicopter (SSH) school headquartered in Las Vegas closed abruptly by filing Chapter 7 leaving 2,500 students out to the street. They operated over 250 helicopters at over 40 schools nationwide in the US. All students prepaid $70,000 each for their training fees. A Class action suit is pending in the Nevada Court and the lawyers are having field days. Good lawyers can compose an opposing lawyer’s argument before composing his own and they are very good and capable indeed and naturally they command high fees most can’t afford.

The only chance of recovery of the student’s fees from ASA is by naming KFA along with banks and lending institutions as co-defendant on the premise that they too are culpable for the damages sustained by those entrusting students. Their failure to perform proper audit and due diligence on the flight school led to the demise of the program today otherwise succeeded. This premise has a much greater chance of succeeding and the judgement amount of $5 mil range plus legal expenses has far more chances of collection from KFA and the Indian lending institutions involved than nonexistent collection probability from the duo Prince and Reny.

Now sit tight and think hard about the good advices offered in the Capt. Kishore’s post and begin to make a check list of your own action plan and proceed to follow thru on it one by one. BTW, make sure to insist on a kind of insurance policy like the one mentioned in the navdeev’s post if you’re fortunate enough to take out another loan again.

Before too long, you’ll be out of the soup and turbulence and you’ll be back cruising in the smooth blue skies again. How do I know this? Well I went through the similar ordeals few times myself since my first arrival in the US in 1968 from Asia and got my ATP, A&P, MEI, AD and few more ratings and pursued my aviation career until my semi-retirement from flight duties few years ago. Well, that’s my two cents. Hang tight and never ever give up your goal.
All the best.

Echo Yankee, Real identity not revealed……

American School of Aviation — Story from the other side.


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One of the ex-student has reacted sharply on the one track media reports and comments from various individuals and stranded students of American School of Aviation. Vishwas Gaikwad’s comments cannot be ignored so we’ve decided to put his side of story in this post.

Vishwas Gaikwad wrote on 3rd July 2008

I cannot comment on the business practices of the school but being a student there for one year I can’t accept media persons questioning the quality of training we underwent there. The school has been really strict with the training, stage checks and check-rides. Many of us failed check-rides and stage checks and ended up flying more than double the time required to complete a particular course (like Private, Instrument) in order to gain required proficiency. There has been no case of any pilot over-logging the flight time. Don’t you think if that was the case we all could have finished the training in 10months? In your effort to bring down the management you people are making it worse for innocent students who trained there. Even I have lost a lot of money and appreciate the help we are getting from all sources but please do not make any ugly assumptions regarding our training.
I have a sincere request to Naik sisters, I understand whatever you went through is bad enough (and we all are also going through that right now). But please do not tell lies to the media regarding the training. You two never trained here. And those among the media who are doubtful about the training practices are welcome to talk to any of the students (even the dissatisfied students who left the training midway to join other schools will agree with me). I am more than eager to prove my ability as a pilot to any qualified examiner anywhere, anytime but I will not tolerate these wrong allegations against my flying experience. If any of the former ASA students is reading this I will appreciate your support in this matter.
I expect the editor of above article to correct the contents of the first paragraph and apologize to the students.

SecondCity’s Response

An apology in advance is hidden in the particular paragraph Vishwas has mentioned in his upper comments. It is for the reader to find out. Still there are large amount of complaints regarding the training time given to the students and these complaints are not baseless claims made by bunch of few students but large majority of students are claiming the same thing. As far as question of ability to fly a plane as an ASA passed out than it is for the DGCA to decide about it. They are keeping a close eye on all the events at ASA. I wish if some other students can come out to support the claims made by Vishwas.